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August 21, 2008 |
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Rocking Out
FOUND by Leslie
in Minneapolis, Minnesota
I found this picture in an old Girl Scouts manual circa 1935. I think these four might very well be the true inventors of the "rock" hand sign.
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We collect FOUND stuff: love letters, birthday cards, kids' homework,
to-do lists, ticket stubs, poetry on napkins, telephone bills, doodles -
anything that gives a glimpse into someone
else's life. Anything goes...
No, no, that's the Hook 'em Horns sign! My sentiments exactly.
Looks like those girls found the mythical boy scout camp that was always said to be on the other side of the lake...
Hah, guy on [my] right reminds me of Peter Parker's emo phase in Spiderman 3...
The meaning of this hand gesture depends on your cultural context. In Arab countries and S. Europe, it's a gesture against the evil eye, being the devil's horns. You point your extended fingertips at whatever is "bad."
In the rest of Europe it has been used since Shakespeare's time to signify that someone is a cuckold (victim of marital infidelity) or an SOB. I think the "horns" idea for cuckolds comes from the idea that your partner is off at a witches' sabbath/orgy, having it off with the Horned One, the he-goat...the devil again.
Back in the 60's and 70's this same gesture meant "bull shit" in the English-speaking world.
And that is the result of a classical education! LOL
Orinoco,
Thanks. That was interesting.
Sure it was.
It's Ray Bolger, Judy Garland, Bert Lahr and Edith Hamilton giving the evil eye sign to some munchkin paparazzi.
Great picture!
This could have been my Mum on the Norfolk Broads.
Orinoco, I think the idea was that a cuckolded husband would sprout horns on his forehead so that everyone could see he was a victim. See Shakespeare's Othello ('I have a pain upon my forehead... here'), and Ford in The Merry Wives (and in Verdi's Falstaff). Mozart makes a musical pun with 'horns' in Figaro's aria in Act IV when he thinks Susanna is being unfaithful on their wedding night.
'Cuckold' is the same word as 'cuckoo', as in laying its eggs in other birds' nests...
Oh thank you so much, Jonathan and Orinoco. You guys have enough arcane information to sink a canoe.
That dark haired girl looks like my mom at that age. Looks like a fun bunch of people.
Wait a minute here. That looks like my mom, too. Hmm...what's going on?
It's AMSLAN for I love you.
kids today... up to no good. probably out there smoking their grass, necking in the woods. hellbound, i tell you!
It's the *DOUBLE DATERS* out in a canoe, on Lake MINT for the filming of the commercial...*DOUBLE MINT GUM*!!
No...they didn't have TV back then, or the gum?
HMMMMMMMMM.....
Still, I love older pics like this FIND!
And I thought that part of Minnesota was fairly flat, but here's photographic evidence that the land clearly slopes downhill in one direction -- left to right in this photo.
(I'm just not sure how they keep all the water from spilling out of the lake, though. Any explanations out there??)
They are about to sink.
YEAH....HAHA! The gentleman in the rear of the canoe, is hangin' on to those edges for dear life!!!
Where ARE thier life-jackets?
They were Ronnie James Dio fans, even back then. At the time of this photo, Ronnie was already in his 30s. haha
In sign language, the thumb must be out for it to be I love you,FYI.
What IS that thing in the water? A giant water strider? If so, they need to point those evil eyes the other way.
28 times 15! What is Found coming to?
Mom...Dad...Is this the event you swore you would never tell me about?
@Librarian: the reason the water doesn't spill out of the lake is because the it's on the same property as this place:
http://www.foundmagazine.com/find/306
Damn! Sean beat me to the Ronnie James Dio joke!
Dio is credited with bringing the devil horns to the metal world. His grandmother told him of the old evil eye thing that Orinoco Womble mentioned. I know I am totally intimidated by Dio...all five-foot four of him.
In ASL, with the thumbs in = bullshit.
Or else they are devil worshipers.
When I was in elementary school where I lived this gesture meant "go to hell." Which was very very bad. This sign was as bad as flipping someone the bird. Which was very very bad.
I forgot Minnesota even existed.
Holly, this was back in the day when we didn't wear helmets on our bikes, knee pads to go roller skating, when our moms smoked and drank while they were pregnant with us, and once we were born, piled us all in the very back of the station wagon, dad at the wheel, ciggie in one hand, beer in the other, for a day at the beach, where we all got burned to a crisp, BUT WE DIDN'T GO INTO THE WATER UNTIL A HALF HOUR AFTER WE ATE, FOR CHRISSAKES, CUZ YOU COULD GET A CRAMP AND DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so, yeah, who needs lifejackets.
The dark haired girl looks like my mom too! And the guy next to her looks like Man on Bike. Or Czech Hockey Player maybe.
Mona, hahaha! That is so true! I loved to swim, and I HATED waiting that half hour after the picnic!! I bet that's what they're doing. Hanging out in the boat for 30 minutes, just to be safe.
I think they were raising their hands in response to the question asked by the photgrapher... How many of you want to be dragged out of the boat and anally ravished by the creature that lives in the murky depths of this here lake?
The Emo kid in the front thought the question was How many times do you want to be dragged out of the boat...
The guy on the far left just wants some spiked lemonade. I wonder if there's a third couple (the female of which is taking the photograph).
Excellent reflection Mona!
However they are clearly flashing the sign to the other players that there are two outs in their baseball game.
These four seem to be playing a very deep right field.
Actually, the sign for bullshit in American Sign Language is slightly more complex than what is being shown in the photo. Rather than go into a somewhat graphic description, those interested may check out:
http://tinyurl.com/597hhv
Although I should point out that the drawing in this link is still somewhat lacking in demonstrating the full graphic nature of the sign. (Finally, my Associate Degree in sign language interpreting comes in handy!)
THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN BACK WHEN EVERYTHING WAS BLACK AND WHITE. THEN AN AMAZING THING HAPPENED WHEN TED TURNER FOUND A SCIENTIFIC FORMULA TO TURN THE WHOLE WORLD TO COLOR. AFTER TED TURNER PERFORMED THIS HEROIC DEED TO ALL MANKIND, SOME PEOPLE WISHED THE WORLD WAS STILL BLACK AND WHITE SO THEY INVENTED BLACK AND WHITE FILM TO RECREATE THE WAY THINGS LOOKED IN THE OLD DAYS. THAT IS WHY TODAY SOMETIMES YOU STILL SEE BLACK AND WHITE PHOTOGRAPHS.
(sorry. It's just that when I glimpsed at Mona's post and caught "this was back in the day.." and all those caps.. I just couldn't help myself. For some stupid reason, this still makes me laugh.)
This is (l. to r.) dad (Harvy), mom (Doris), daughter (Patty) and son (Jack). They're up from Austin visiting relatives in Minnesota, yah. Uncle Sven in taking the picture and Aunt Margaret is getting lunch ready.
The postcards read: Having a great time, wish you were here. The mosquitos are a big as a turkey buzzard!
(the people all said "sit down. Sit down, don't rock the boat.")
well, everyone knows that the world changed from black and white to colour, during the filming of the Wizard of Oz. It's an amazing coincidence that they were filming at the exact moment when that happened.
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Mona, true that, true that (as my kids would say). You made me laugh out loud, thanks for the memories.
My mom would have been the light haired one in the bunch, so I guess I'm not related to any of yas..
Great photo.
Is the guy on the left making the same hand gesture as the rest of them? He looks like he's doing something completely different.
*Totally giggling at the Dio jokes*
Oh, great - thanks, Rockin. Rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby, rock the boat, don't tip the boat ovah, rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby, rock the bo-o-o-o-oat.
The picture reminds me of Divine Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood. Is that Vivi?
I'm pretty sure they aren't supposed to be together in their swim suits...didn't people frown on "mixed swimming" back then? I've heard my grandparents talk about it anyway. *hehe*
Whoops We ran into a little problem. Where's my profile? Arthur? James? Jason?
I hope the boat flipped over. These people look like jerks.
Fabulous find! Dark haired girl seems to be shrinking away from guy in back, not wanting to be touched by him. Guy in front is hanging on for dear life. Doesn't want to get that nice hair wet. Blonde girl was probably yelling "Take my picture, take my picture!" Guy in back looks like my dad in the 50's, a very handsome man, if I do say so myself.
In the middle east it may mean the evil eye...in Texas it means HOOK 'EM
someone had to support Tiffany's claim.
"Oh the devil will drag you under,
By the fancy tie round your wicked throat!"
So the people all said, "Sit down,
Sit down you're rocking the boat."
(People all said, siddown-siddown-siddown you're rockin the boat.)
Guys and Dolls. Must watch that DVD again tonight.
Mmmmm. Marlon Brando. Who knew he could sing?
Minneapolis Star-Tribune - July 31, 1948
Four Missing in Boating Incident
Norman and Edith Stuyvermann and their two children remain unaccounted for after a boating mishap on Cedar Lake late yesterday afternoon. The family had been seen earlier in the day making obscene gestures at passers-by. This is the second time this month that...
Well, I hope you're happy Flargy.
@orinoco - my 100% immigrant Grandmother taught me the devil's horns when I was little. She also has a gold devil's horn on a chain she wears around her neck to fend off evil and I received a green jade one as a gift.
I think it's a really charming, great find. I've said since I was little that I think I was born in the wrong decade. I wish I'd been a child of the 1900's instead of the 1980's. The 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's would have been my ideal to live through- Great Depression and all!
Ya know what? I'm not all that completely sure these boaters have two fingers up in the air. Without a "magnify" option today, I'm thinking I can see background things (bit of shoulder, reflections off the water) to explain all the pinkie fingers.
In other words, maybe they're all signaling a "No. 1" with just their index fingers in the air.
Alan, does the news story cover how old the child Ronald James Stuyvermann was?
Turbo -
Ronald James Stuyvermann (Born 1931) was found hiding under his parents porch three days later. He described how his family had been brutally attacked and eaten by a sasquatch after they taunted the beast with the devil sign.
After he was released from a mental hospital in 1954 he went on to become a lawyer, real estate developer, and politician; being elected the 32nd Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota.
He died of natural causes in 2003.
...and you thought you were gonna get a Dio joke...
Duuude, man. Ronald James Stuyvermann is, was, and forever shall be ageless. Timeless.
the boys BOTH look like they have their pointers, pinkies, AND thumbs up. (ILY.)
Ahhh, the battle of the sexes. The guys are signing "ILY" hoping to convince the gals to give out with some afternoon delight. The gals, unconvinced, are signing back, "Bullshit, babe. And while you're at it--get thee behind me."
sick in tired,
That last line sounds much more like an invitation than a shoot-down.
MONA- You're so freakin' right!!!!!!!! Thanks for the trip down memory lane..although I don't think I go as far down the lane as you do!!!
Just jokin', darlin'!!!
But, true say, my dear...true say!
And not that it matters, but I think this photo is more like from 1953, not 1935, like the book it was found in. Just makes me ponder a little bit, what led someone in 1953 to put a photo in a 1935 book. If things could only talk.
What is that thing way back far on the water?
Guy on the left is getting ready to dump this dinghy over, and the guy on the right knows it, trying to keep a poker face. The girls have no clue they're going to find out how cold the water in this little lake is. Boy, are they going to be mad.
http://foundmagazine.com/find/780
Hugo? Zat you?
Was this one of your secret missions??
(Just before the lake opens to reveal the missile base hidden inside the volcano)
I really don't care what they're doing in this picture. I just think it's a great picture. I like this one a lot. The dark haired couple on the left remind me of my grandparents.
Clover, I agree. I think this is 50's, not 30's. The hair styles and swimsuits, attitudes and all, it says 50's to me.
Course, I'm not an expert or anything. I was born in the 60's.
That's the hand gesture of the secret society, The Illuminati. This is incredible, members of a society, thought long debunked, taking a break from developing the "NEW WORLD ORDER" to have a quick boat ride and maybe a swim. HA HA
They are pearl diving in Hawaii. Their handsigns mean "hangloose." See the leis around their necks?
hey it's me, todd, sally-sue, and billy-bob. i was wondering where this picture went. oh the good old days =]